So I’ve made a few tweaks based on the previous feedback and this time around I’m also actually at 2,500 so my math isn’t horribly off J. I think this is a slightly more solid list that before however I did give up one ogre model to tweak it to this point. I’ll be taking this to a tourney this Sunday to give a whirl and try out fantasy so without further talking, here is the newest list:
Lords
Slaughter Master (250) – 385
Lvl. 4(35), Glittering Scales(25), Greedy Fist(40), Fencing Blades(35)
Heroes
Bruiser(105) – 158
Core
7 Ironguts(301) – 321
Champion(10), Musician(10)
6 Ogre Bulls(180) – 192
Ironfists(12)
6 Ogre Bulls(180) – 192
Ironfists(12)
Special
6 Lead Belchers(258) – 258
6 Lead Belchers(258) – 258
4 Mournfangs(240) – 290
Ironfists(20), Heavy Armor(20), Champion(10)
6 Maneaters(300) – 402
6xBrace of Pistols(72), Standard(10), Flaming Standard(10), Champion(10), Sniper, Scout
Sabretusk – 21
Sabretusk – 21
Total: 2498
Lord: 385 (15.4%)
Hero: 158 (6.3%)
Core: 705 (28.2%)
Special: 1250 (50.0%)
Rare: 0 (0%)
As you can see I added a Brusier BSB that has a little bit of protection in the form of Heavy Armor and a Shield. Meaning at 4+/6++ in combat which isn’t bad for a 4W T5 character. I also switched the character holding unit with Ironguts since they’ll add a good whomping to the combat results. You’ll see I added a Champion to the Maneaters. I did it because it’d be cool to pull down the bonus VP’s if he kills a character and also because 6 St5 WS4 attacks is nothing to sneer at. Not to mention my old pistol bruiser just looks bigger and meaner than the rest of my Maneaters so Captain fits him J
Not to many other tweaks. So thoughts?
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Enkiel · 706 weeks ago
Second, full command is very good on Ogres and Ironguts, because it allows you to place your character on 2nd rank.
An example, that is a very nice way to piss off opponent btw ;
6 IG + full command + BSB and SM (both relatively well geared).
When you get in close, your frontage is this ; SM - Champion - BSB.
your opponent then have to chose between ;
1 trying to hit your SM (hitting on 6s with infantry, 5s with characters),
2 trying to do 3 wounds on your champion (and only 3, since in 99% of the situation, everyone will strikes at the same initiative).
3 trying to hit your BSB with T5 wardsave 4+.
this can easily turn most combat into one sided.
For the rest, you need to chose what bonus you give your Maneater... if you're going with Brace of pistols, i'd suggest dropping the flaming standard, and giving them poison + Sniper.
That way you can kill character in units without them having any look out sir.
Hulksmash · 706 weeks ago
As for the full command thing for the Iron Guts I do have the extra points to put a standard in (I used it to put a champ into the Mournfangs) but I don't have the extra points to increase the defenses of my BSB so I'm not bothering. And obviously the SM and BSB go into the Iron Guts making it a 9-Ogre unit w/2 Ranks. Should be enough to lay on the hurt.
Good thoughts, thanks for putting them up.
Vilicate · 706 weeks ago
That's why I think sniper is a waste of points for the maneaters. They'd be much better served by poisoned attacks.
With those, they can nail warmachines pretty easily, and even take on the monsters more effectively. Since it's an untyped Poisoned Attacks, they get it for both shooting and melee, meaning that with their 5 attacks each (four base and extra hand weapon for pistols), any 6's to hit autowound.
Besides, even if you get to shoot at the mage, there's still an awesome chance they'll put a unit in front of their block with characters so they'll get hard cover and be nearly impossible to snipe. Even with needed 6's to hit, you're still only going to get two hits in, in which case they get an armor save, wardsave or whatever. You're not even going to kill a naked T3 wizard on average.
My 2 cents.
Thalenchar · 706 weeks ago
I agree with putting the standard of Discipline in the Ironguts and then maybe seeing if you can give your BSB some extra protection (a more permanent ward save, for instance). Carrying the SoD doesn't really benefit your BSB, it will work just as well on the Ironguts, and it will then have the added bonus that it will still be around until you lose the Standard from that unit.
Just my thoughts :)
spyguyyoda · 706 weeks ago
Just my thoughts.
Vilicate · 706 weeks ago