Tuesday, September 6, 2011

The More You Know - Nova Edition


This is going to be an article to cover the glaring mistakes I made in my games at the Nova that led to my 9-5 record this year over the Nova weekend. I had a great weekend and almost all of my games were great against fun opponents. I’m going to preface the following with the fact that it was my mistakes that cost me all of my losses and had nothing to do with dice. Every situation I had where my dice weren’t so hot could have been mitigated if I hadn’t oopsied before the dice needed to be rolled.

I’ll include a brief rundown of the game I lost as well as the minor and not so minor mistakes I made during the games. Here we go:
Game 2 of the Invitational:

Opponent: Spags (Aaron) from http://theback40k.blogspot.com/


Well I was feeling good because my missile launcher heavy army had just manage to take down a solid 3 LR list and we’re going into a KP based game and my list run just 8 KP’s (Assuming I get the LW’s killed J). Aaron was an awesome opponent and I wish I had more dudes locally like him to play with. Aside from a judge jumping in sometimes when it wasn’t needed with incorrect rulings we had a great game J. It wound up being a close game up until the last couple turns where it started to turn into a route.4 Mistakes cost me the game:

1)     Didn’t read Aaron’s army list in enough detail and managed to not see one of his long fang units behind a rhino.
2)     Directly related to the above since I didn’t remember his list or see the models I place a single Terminator where his plasma cannons could draw a bead on Logans unit after he moved a few rhinos. This lead to the death of 4ish of my Terminators.
3)     Forgot when I knew he was going to be charging in his turn to declare Logans preferred enemy at the top of my opponents turn.  
4)     Finally, since Aaron had a TWC bomb I should have kept my Lone Wolves closer to my Terminator unit for support since he was pretty much guaranteed the charge.

These 4 things solely cost me the game. All relatively minor in and of themselves. All of them mistakes, even combined, that I could probably still recover from against most players. But this was the Invitational and small mistakes kill you.

Game 3 of the Invitational:

Opponent: Targetawg (Andrew) from Dakkadakka

His list included Karazmov(however you spell it), Coteaz, 5x5 Stormbolter Accolytes in Psybacks, 2 Ven. Psyfle Dreads, 3 Regular Psyfle Dreads, and a DCA/Crusader unit that Coteaz & Kara joined.

This was probably my favorite game of the weekend. Andrew and I had already both lost and were out of the 1k running for the Tourney Champ and I was 99% sure I was already out on the Ren. Man (though Andrew wasn’t) so we sat down to have a great game. This was a spearhead mission and like all the boards there was a large LoS blocking piece in the middle. This was was a full 12”x12” and due to the deployment Andrew was able to hide his entire army out of initial sight. Basically we spent the game circling the middle with him hammering any unit that showed its head. That’s ok, I got him during the Open J. The mistake that cost me the game:

1)     Fire Priority. I was so afraid of his angry deathstar that I shot Logans unit at them twice instead of picking off an extra dread two turns in a row. This allowed his to still have the shots once my dice headed south on saves on Logans unit. If I’d picked them off like I should have it’s likely it would still have been a win for me.
Game 4 of the Invitational:

Opponent: Stelek (Andrew) from http://yesthetruthhurts.com/


This was a fine game, pillow fighting TWC s. LW’s and all. And it really came down to a single oopsie on my part. Basically I was in position to run through his scoring units when:

1)     I failed 2 leadership checks in a row from shooting casualties (re-roll thanks to Logan) and failed to properly space the backstop unit behind the fleeing models. I was 9” from the table edge and rolled a 10. Had I properly spaced my troop unit so that the Termies would have to go around they would have rallied the next turn.

Game 6 of the Open:

Opponent: Dashofpepper (Justin) my blogmate

You guys should know his list by now J. This was a solid and intense game. In the end I had 4 models left (2 Lone Wolves and a single member of 2 different squads) and he had 10 of his units left. My inability to count due to exhaustion cost me the game. Outside of that I had three oopsies that affected the outcome of the game:

1)     I detached Logan from the Terminators before I charged into the middle scrum. This left Logan exposed as a target. If I hadn’t done this then my opponent probably would have killed off a Lonewolf since it would have been one of the only open shots he had.
2)     Deployment. I didn’t take enough advantage of my mobile missile launchers which caused me to be partially out of alignment for my first/second turn.
3)     Target priority again. Regardless of the whiffing I should have been killing the extra troop squad with one of my terminators instead of swinging at the damaged venom that I could have (and did) taken care of later.

Game 8 of the Open:

My opponent: The dude from the 11th Company (I think) Podcast/Blog

His Army: 5 Dread GK Henchmen Spam w/Psybacks

This was a fun game. But I was exhausted, figured I was out of it, and just deployed for giggles. This, as well a multitude of other silly choices cost me the game. I can’t go into enough detail about my oopsies because I was simply too tired to pay attention during our game to what I was doing so I can’t even replay it in my mind right now. It was still a great game and my opponent was a damn solid player.

Well those were my mistakes I made that cost me games. It’s an interesting list and what it tells me is I have gotten a little out of shape since fleeing Cali. I just don’t play as much as I probably needed to before this event. That and I should probably start playing a list at minimum a month out to get a feel for it. Overall though I was impressed with how I did. I finished 17th overall competitive (which will be changed to at least 16th since they are going to rank by bracket in the final breakdown) and finished 16th overall ren man which I was more proud of. All in all it was a great weekend and good time. Can’t wait for Adepticon to see most of those dudes again J

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Thanks for an honest breakdown of the battles Hulk, it's much easier to learn when you can see the mistakes (whether perceived or real) that experienced players make as it gives us all an insight into how you think.

On a different note, how did you find the list to play? I'm just starting Space Wolves myself after playing Tyranids for a while and searching for a fun list that's easy to transport to give myself one less excuse not to go to the local store and get some games in.
1 reply · active 707 weeks ago
I loved it. It's got lots of shooting and solid combat power. There will be a few tweaks as I wasn't totally happy with the Terminator squad equipment and I'm still not sold on the scouts but I find it's a very fun list to play and it's very much a current anti-meta list which is kinda nice. If you've been playing bugs I'd suggest it. It plays similar in the way you have to think 2-3 turns ahead :)
It is really refreshing to see a stellar player who can put ego aside and attribute losses to play on the table, and not to the dice failing him. You are EXTREMELY rare in this regard. Bravo.
4 replies · active 707 weeks ago
Thanks Mike.

I will say the dice didn't help but I can't honestly look at my losses and not point to where those dice wouldn't have needed to be rolled had I not screwed up. And the problem is that all of my losses were to other very solid players which means that small mistakes cost. More practice against solid opponents will be needed before next year :) or Adepticon cause I'm not missing the sweet 16 this year!
You nail it there ... truly high level 40k orients around removing dice from the equation, not putting yourself in situations where you repeatedly have to see the odds hit.

You'll see players complain about failing cover saves on their vehicles, and you have to wonder why they subjected themselves to having to take so many cover saves in the first place (by not prioritizing fire against enemy fire, eliminating entire anti-tank units, blocking line of sight to key units of their own, etc. etc. etc.).
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spyguyyoda · 707 weeks ago

Spoken like someone who doesn't have AV 10 vehicles. In order to avoid taking them, I have to kill everything...which means placing them to have LOS on my opponents units.

Otherwise a very good point. I have to admit to blaming the dice more often than I should. Unlike Brad, I'm not nearly experienced enough of a player to be able to identify the major contributing factors on my own. I had one game at NOVA I should have been able to win hands-down (venom spam vs foot terminators), but good rolling on his part and poor on mine equalled a loss. Were there other contributing factors? of course there were, but I have no idea what they were.
Agreed. Cookie for Hulky :).
Hulksmash, is your 2k list floating around out there anywhere? I have seen your 1750 list, but to the Nova Open one.
3 replies · active 707 weeks ago
Pretty much the same as my 1,750 list.

Logan
2xLW's w/TA, CF, SS
5 Scouts w/2 PW's, Melta Gun
4x5 Wolfguard w/4 PA SB's, 1 TA, CF, SB
10 Wolfguard w/4 TA CP WC, 2 TA SB WC, 2 TA CF SB, 1 PA PW, 1 PA
3x5 Long Fangs w/4 Missile Launchers

Pretty stock standard Logan wing except I like my big Terminator squads.
Do you think you could describe the purpose of the Lone Wolves in this list specifically. Maybe you could make an entire blog post about Lone Wolf tactics and strategy (but I'm still interested in this specific case if you do).
I'll see what I can do :)
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Dashofpepper · 707 weeks ago

We counted killpoints three times individually and came up with the same number...what did we miscount? And I hope you are referring to MY whiffs by the way, because my lance/blaster showing was awful.

I lost to Rick Puig because...well, I covered it elsewhere. I lost to Mark Ferek by defaulting on our game. I lost to Tony Kopack because he's Tony Kopack. :) Not going first, awful reserves, unfamiliarity with Njall, and I lost to Devin because we pretty much diced off for the game. Neither of us moved or fired, and he won 3-2 on objectives. In hindsight, I should have played that game to try boosting my finishing standing, but I was beyond caring about anything except food and sleep.
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We've talked about it before, but venomspam DE with limited spread of reliable anti-tank is a VERY challenged match-up vs. well-played mech guard. 3 Ravagers and a dispersion of blasters do not a strong anti-av12 force make, and I think you'd have been frustrated by the squaring off of you vs. Rick's list even if he were the golden god of sportsmanship rendered flesh. It's a problem DE can't readily get around, even in the hands of a pro, b/c eventually you'll smack into another pro who runs an appropriately balanced mech guard list with which to counter.

Ferek's list on the flipside struggles a little vs. mobile venomspamming DE, especially since you are free for a change to spam ASM squads with blasters, since there are no tanks you are forced to deal with.

Kopach, well, he's one of the stronger locals and a tough match-up is a tough match-up.
Your list still had 24 KP's. 2 HQ's, 3 Elites w/Transports, 6 Troops w/Transports, 1 Fast Attack, 3 Heavy Support. Yeah, we counted 3 times and exhaustion meant we came up with the wrong number (22 instead of 24). That's part of the game man. My brain just wasn't working. Yours wasn't much better. It had been a great and grueling game. You won man, never said anything different :)
Is there any chance we might see some posts about your models as well or will you focus only on gaming?
Could be interesting now with Justin's percieved bad paint scoring.
Don't know how it went for Hulk, but of course it would be interesting to see his models too.
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I did a little worse on painting this year but I'm happy with the score since I painted it in a week. I think I got a .63 or so which wasn't to bad. Like in the top 20% which I'm happy with in painting. I'll put a few pictures of my army up sometime soon.
Hulk you are a class act and my funnest game all weekend!

Aaron
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Glad to hear that Aaron. You were close. Definitely up there for best game of the weekend. If I had to be taken out of the running for the big prize I'm glad it was a fun game.

Poor Andrew was by far my favorite opponent but honestly our game 3 in the Invitational was probably the most fun game I've played in years so it's hard to compete.
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newtoncain · 707 weeks ago

Thanks for the report Hulk.
Are you going to be @ Legion/MM on Sat for the 2000pter?
I know you'll be there for the semi finals in 2 sat.
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I'll be there. The wife has a brunch to head to so I get to play little toy soldiers this weekend. I'll also be at Legions for Ard Boyz and for the Fantasy Tournament on Sunday since the wife has her crafting fair that weekend :) Damn Ogre book got me back into Fantasy.
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newtoncain · 707 weeks ago

Big fantasy tourney in NOV (North star) http://www.thenorthstargt.com/
Big 40k in Feb (Dark Star) http://darkstargt.com/index.html

see you sat.
Yeah, I'm looking at picking up a ticket to the Northstar if they'll let me in since they have all spots full but not everyone has paid so far. A fantasy GT sounds like fun. Though I'll only have played like 4-5 games of 8th by then :)

Darkstar is on. And I've even convinced Neil to get out of his shop and come play.
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newtoncain · 707 weeks ago

I saw that he had registered and paid.
Did you know he won the national tourney circuit a few years back?

I signed up so I could actually play in a ranked tourney.

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