Be ready, this is gonna be a long one. Well I'd pointed out recently that I might be getting back into Fantasy with the release of the Ogres new book. And here I am, back into Fantasy. I have to say it's the first army book that I think I can get most of what I want out of it. I've always liked Dark Elves too but Ogres are just to cool. Nothing like running around with giant 3-wound monsters as your basic troops.
Anyway I've picked up a few items for what I think might be the beginning of my competitive list. I had a ton of models from the first release that will only require some minor tweaking but I'll be adding about $240 worth of stuff to my army to get what I might like out of it.
So I'm planning on attending a fantasy RTT which will probably be some of my first games of 8th edition ever which should be interesting. And I'm going to be doing it with a new book to the game as well which will make it more interesting. I've read through the rulebook a few times now and think I've got the basics down. I've stolen a couple of neat ideas from the dudes over on http://ogrestronghold.com/ who have been playing with the book as well since I'm so new to the game but here is what I'm thinking of running:
Lord
Slaughter Master of Butt Whoopin-385
Fencing Blades(35), Greedy Fist(40), and Glittering Scales(25), Level 4(35)
Core
8 Iron Guts-394
Standard(10), Lookout Gnoblar(5), Musician(10), Champion(10), Banner of Discipline(15)
6 Bulls-192
Ironfists
6 Bulls-192
Ironfists
Special
6 Man Eaters-392
6xBrace of Pistols(72), Sniper, Scout, Standard(10), Fire Standard(10)
1 Sabretusk-21
1 Sabertusk-21
4 Mournfang Calvary-280
Heavy Armor(20), Ironfist(20)
6 Lead Belchers-258
6 Lead Belchers-258
Lord: 485(19.4%)
Hero: 0(0%)
Core: 778(31.1%)
Special: 1230(49.3%)
So a ton of fantasy lists I see being built for Ogres have a boat load of characters and only like 20-30 actual ogres. This seemed a little crazy to me. Looking at the book it's the basic Ogres that look like killers to me. Hence the reason for my above list that sits at around 38 ogres not counting the calvary. Which I'm gonna explain a little.
First off the Slaughter Master. He's a combat beast that can magically support his battleline. His current build is based around armor being legal to be put on him as the Ironfist (shield) would indicate but could change. Then I'll probably just add a dispel scroll.
The 8-Man Irongut unit is where the Slaughter Master goes. Standard of Discipline bumps his leadership to 9 though I'm not sure if this will extend to the Inspiring Pressence rule or not. Either way this is a hammer unit that will normally run w/3 Ranks and produce 16 St6 + Slaughter Master attacks, impact hits, and stomp attacks which is pretty nasty.
The two Bull units are fast support units that can hold their own against almost any units that aren't hordes and even some of those. Plus it's a bit more core.
The Maneaters are a solid unit that will deploy where needed after both sides have deployed thanks to scout. The flaming banner makes them a solid unit for picking off regenerating units and the sniper ability will allow them to pick out bsb's and mages. Basically deploy the unit to pick off a bad man on turn one and then use them as a hammer to support your line. In combat you're looking at 21 St5 attacks and stomp attacks after the first round of combat.
The two individual sabretusks are to help with deployment, allowing me to really start deploying after my opponent has put down a unit or two. They also will move up away from my lines (to prevent panic tests) and I can use them to slip up and possibly taking out warmachines if they are ignored or taking some shooting off my ogre units.
The Mournfang Calvary are straight up beasts. They roll hard and heavy and are geared to grind down massive units of non-elite infantry but aren't half bad against elite infantry either. They have a 2+/6++ in CC and a 4 man unit sits at 12 St4, 16 St 5, and 4 Stomp attacks per turn in CC. Add in a D3 impact hit per model and you're looking at a meatgrinder of a unit.
And lastly Leadbelchers. They've gotten super hot in this new book. The cannon is D6 shots per turn, st 4, armor piercing, can move-and-fire, and only takes penalties for long range. Oh and the range has changed to 24". Basically 13pts more than a standard bull to give him a gun which is pretty crazy. Add in that they can shoot every turn now and you're looking at a unit that can over the course of the game have a major impact. Probably one of the better "ranged" units out there. And they aren't half bad in combat either.
So that's the reasoning behind the list. I don't know much about 8th yet so I'm sure there will be a few changes but I'm looking forward to my first few games of Fantasy over the next few weeks. Thoughts, even if you don't know much about Fantasy are welcome since I don't know much either :)
Thursday, September 8, 2011
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Lunchmoney · 707 weeks ago
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Bro_Lo 82p · 707 weeks ago
Interesting piece of kit. Not sure if it's worth the 50... but it certainly was in the scenario. Maybe too situational?
Hulksmash · 707 weeks ago
In my opinion I should be able to snipe any mage that isn't a level 3-4 in a single shooting phase with the Maneaters and I'd rather have a kill mage that's hard as hell to hit. You need a WS5 just to him on a 5+ otherwise it's a 6+ which combined with T5 and W5 that can regenerate when I cast spells means I should be alright.
spyguyyoda · 707 weeks ago
spyguyyoda · 707 weeks ago
In fact, in order to take the BSB in the first place you may want to consider swapping them out for more bulls entirely...just a thought.
Everything else is pretty standard/awesome.
Vilicate · 707 weeks ago
Not sure that Sniper is going to be the best for the Maneaters; I'd load up on Poison, as it adds to ranged and melee. Remember how good old rending was?
Enkiel · 707 weeks ago
First, yes, our core seems nice with T4, 3 wounds and all the goodies, but we got low armor, and WS3, which means that pretty much everyone will hit us on 3s...
That's the reason why people usually spend much more pts on character, to use the small frontage to our advantage and force people to try to wound 2 very hard to wound character.
Running BSB-less in 8th is pretty rare, only race that really dont need it do it (like Tomb Kings). You may want to risk it, but keep in mind that as soon as your Tyrant is dead, your whole army rely on a single Ld7/8 roll to stay on the table...Its especially important when you consider that your SM will be prone to cannonball in the head as soon as 4 of your Ironguts are dead... (and with the lack of wardsave, it might come faster than you though).
also, your 12 Leadbelchers sound nice on paper, but consider the price you're spending for roughly 7-8 wounds a turn... its not much.
Maneater with sniper is nice, they could prove worth it. A way to enhance them (imho) would be to give them poison instead of scout. That way, they will wound as soon as they hit (since, well, you'll be hitting on 6s anyway). It also give them the advantage of being able to take on big beast like Sphynx without too much trouble.
Lastly, for the love of god, get Ironcurse icon... its 5 pts, and it can save your ass.
Hulksmash · 707 weeks ago
Hulksmash · 707 weeks ago
spyguyyoda · 707 weeks ago
As far as the Maneaters, Vanguard with Sniper has also been proposed. The advantage with that is that they can charge first turn if needed, as opposed to Scout. I like Scout though, because it lets you place them right in range to put a cap in Teclis (or whomever).
Thalenchar · 707 weeks ago
I think you're fine with the 2 units leadbelchers. I run a single unit of 8 and I think it's one of the best units in the book.
Same with Maneaters, I love them. I use Scout and Stubborn and then use them as more of a flanking unit, but I can see the sniping strategy working as well. The ability to deploy last and just about anywhere you want is just great and has forced my opponent to adjust and react from T1.
Those are just my first thoughts. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with them!