Monday, September 10, 2012

The More You Know - Nova 2012 Edition



So last year’s article on how much and how I screwed up is officially my most popular post. It’s views doubled any other post since I started this blog so I figured why not go ahead and do a 2012 version. It’s going to be a little long. But we’ll start with what everyone wants to read about, me losing J (I’m only humble 95% of the time!)

So this year was much, much better than last year in terms of my record. I managed to go 11-2 vs. last years 9-5 which is a pretty marked improvement in my overall performance but even those two games shouldn’t have been losses. That isn’t a dig at my opponents, they both outplayed me, but I think I had all the tools to win both games. For those of you who don’t know this is what I brought to Nova:

Grey Knights 1,750

2xTerminator Inquisitors w/Psycannon & Psychic Power
Soladin w/Hammer
4x10 Strikes w/2 Psycannons, Hammer, Psybolt Ammo
3xDreadknight w/H. Incinerator

At 2k I just add another 10 Strikes.

It’s a brutally simple list that is extremely flexible and can put out a ton of firepower. I might have had the highest number of mobile shots over 12” in the tournament at 2k (no matter what some people claim J) with 80 St5  and 28-48 St7 (depending on movement) shots not including how many wounds Heavy Incinerators can put down.

Anyway, onto what people want. Me losing J Again these games have nothing to do with dice. I managed all weekend to play out of bad dice (when I had them) so I certainly can’t blame them in my two losses. So I took one loss in the Invitational and one loss in the Open. We’ll start with the Inviational.

I played against Kelsey in the second round of the Invitational. Very nice guy, even when he’s pushing your stool in J. Anyway we were on the video feed table so some of you can probably see the game live if you want to but here is what he was running (Approximately since I lost his list).

BA Primary List

Librarian
2x10 Sternguard w/8 Combi-Plasma and 2 Melta in a Pod
2x5 Assault Marines w/Flamer in a Pod

SM Allies

Pedro
1x10 Sternguard w/8 Combi-Melta and 2 Melta in a Pod
5 Sniper Scouts
Storm Talon w/Typhoon and Assault Cannons

So he has 30 scoring sternguard (which I totally had to double check, well played Kelsey J) with mass nasty firepower on the drop and some spare scoring units to hide. In my opinion it’s designed to put you on the back foot and keep you there so he can win on mission objectives. And it worked.

The deployment was Modified Hammer & Anvil. He chose to go first (obviously) but didn’t deploy anything since he was going to infiltrate his scouts and everything else was in a pod or flying on.  So I moved onto my first mistake, deployment. Now 6th edition has brought back pods in a big way. What do I mean? Well your opponent has to put something juicy out there for you to eat by the rules now and it has to be enough to survive the alpha strike and the first turn so that the game doesn’t end automatically.  I wish I could say that’s what I was thinking but in honesty I wasn’t. I hadn’t played a pod list in 6th yet and man was my learning experience painful.

I proceeded to deploy 30 Strikes, both Inquisitors, and 2 Dreadknights. 2 of the 10 man squads were in cover, the cover wasn’t high enough for my DK’s to get a benefit so they were interspersed with my Strikes. So, the mistakes that cost me the game from the get go? Here is what I should have done:

1)     Deploy all 4 Strike units and combat squad them
2)     Keep all the Dreadknights in reserve to drop in after he’s shot his AP2 wad
3)     Deployed the HQ’s unattached to a squad
4)     Deployed the first squad in the ruins with concentric circles of other units around it.
5)     Selected Psychic Communion this game instead of rolling for divination

Why? It would have limited LoS to some extent. But mostly it would have put 10 targets down instead of 5. He wouldn’t have had the shooting to drop all of them (at most half) and I would have had my nastiest units against his list, my Dreadknights, dropping in the following turns.

And that kids is how you lose in deployment. Kelsey proceeded to smite all but one squad on the table with his drop and then finished the last squad off on the top of turn 2. If none of my reserves had come in I would have lost on turn 2 but they all did. I still made a fun game of it with 10 Strikes, a Soladin, and one Dreadknight but just couldn’t pull it out, especially once my Paladin failed to drop his 1 HP left Storm Talon in CC since that was the only thing left that could pick off decent numbers of my Strikes at range. A great game and one of my few tablings in the last few years. I still hate those damn snap firing melta guns….My dreadknight deserved better J

My second loss was to a local named Bert in the Invitational. Another great opponent (I had 13 of them this year J). His list was something like:

2xLash Prince
2 Oblits
2x5 Chaos Marines
2x5 Raptors w/2 Meltaguns
2xVindicators
CCS w/4 Plasma Guns in a Chimera
2xVeteran Squads w/3 Plasma Guns in Chimera
Vendetta
Demolisher
Aegis Line w/the autocannon gun (brainfart)

You guys seeing a theme? Damned AP2 again! Anyway this deployment was also hammer and anvil and while I didn’t lose this in deployment I sure as hell lost it in my movement and by not paying attention. So my opponent chose to go first and deployed across his deployment zone with a lash prince on both flanks and his st10 large blasts behind the aegis line which pretty much ran the length of his deployment facing me. I centered my line with my Dreadknights and put down 30 strikes with their inquisitor friends.

Now it took me till turn 3 to realize there were no windows on the bottom floor of the middle building…..First mistake among many J. I also should have played more aggressively with my DK’s. When you’re playing against Vindi’s and Demolishers they need to go down fast. Instead, since it was quarters and they don’t count for scoring, I was ignoring them and this allowed them to do damage the entire game and wound up costing me the game on turn 5. I also made some movement errors but mostly it was a major target priority issue. I was to caught up that time playing the objectives and didn’t think about the long term repercussions of not destroying non-scoring portions of my opponents army. It ended with me nearly tabled and a win on the secondary for Bert.

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Good to see someone can learn from their mistakes!
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Hulksmash · 656 weeks ago

Lord knows I make enough. It's identifying the important ones that I try to do after a loss or close win :)
I'm curious about the inclusion of the Solodin; what purpose did you have him there for? Or was it just a points thing?
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Hulksmash · 656 weeks ago

Soladin was strictly disruption. I had the option of swapping him out for 2 Plasma Cannon Servitors and 3 boltgun Accolytes but figured he'd be worth it for annoyance purposes and he really shined in most of my later games. It was also an easy way to lock down the bonus points for being in your opponents deployment zone at the end of the game.

And some of it was a points thing :)
That null-deploy BA list is a lot of fun, really solid build. The CSM/IG is no joke, either, gathering up some really mean things!

Thanks for the frank and forthright evalution of your play. I get a lot more out of discussions of mistakes than discussions of wins! Grats on the solid placement in both tourneys! See you at BFS?
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Hulksmash · 656 weeks ago

No BFS. Can't afford to travel to another GT this soon. The wife would stab me. I think I'm out of GT's till the Darkstar next year and then it's back to one a month till like August :D
"Again these games have nothing to do with dice. I managed all weekend to play out of bad dice (when I had them) so I certainly can’t blame them in my two losses."

ZING!

Nice write-up. It's a cliche, but absolutely true: the better players are separated from the weaker by how much they learn through defeat. There's not much improvement needed at 11-2, though...
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Hulksmash · 656 weeks ago

Duh, I could have gone 13-0 :) Like a certain little fella that loves Space Wolves!!!
Jeez, I'm wondering if that guy ever loses. And if you want a case in point that it's not the list, it's the player, I doubt most people would look at any of his lists in a vacuum and identify it as a multiple GT winning list on its face.
Hulksmash - I get your list to 1755 points. Is this correct?

Inquisitor 110 x 2
Solodin 55
Strike Squads 250 x 4
Dreadknights 160 x 3
You were cheated Hulk. The BA Sternguard are not scoring. Under Pedro's rules it specifically says units exchange Combat Tactics for Chapter Tactics and Sternguard units gain Hold the Line. It's pretty clear that you are exchanging Combat Tactics, and since BA's don't have that, they can't gain HTL. I would have said yes they do count as HTL if the part about Sternguard getting HTL didn't also come under Chapter Tactics, making it clear that you have to exchange them.
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False.

Hold the line is a separate rule from chapter tactics.
@HulkSmash - I've only been playing since May '11 at my local FLGS so I'm still pretty much a noob. I have a strike squad spam list as well and haven't really gotten a handle on the nuances of deployment. In your post you describe a better deployment pattern against a heavy pod army. Our FLGS is about to start a 40k campaign and one of the players is going to run a 2k DE venom spam list. Would you suggest the same type of deployment in that situation?

I also ran a crowe list with msu purifier spam and got my but kicked by venom spam but I had far fewer units due to the cost and had points tied up in other stuff (I think I was toying with a couple of psyriffledreads at the time).
Cool man, I just ran a super similar list to this one at the Feast of Blades (had some guard allies, which didn't work out too well, but maintained 40 strikers). The Inquisitors with Prescience are the exact same as the ones I ran.

The thing that kind of shocked me is that when I got done, I decided to re-tool my list some, get rid of IG, and just figure out what I wanted to do.

My list was your 2k list, nearly verbatim. Only difference was I took master-crafted on my Justicars, and didn't take the solodin. This forced me to take a greatsword on one of my dreadknights for lack of other options of what to do with an extra 25 points.

Anyways, thought i'd commend you on your (obviously) awesome list design. I'll probably be taking that same list to a few events soon.

Wish you had been there, maybe I'll catch you at Adepticon!
nice one..

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